Friedhof Mattersburg

Vogl Moritz / Vogl Mose – 29. Juli 1888

13. Mai 2010 – 29 Iyyar 5770 12:58 13. Mai 2010 – 29 Iyyar 5770

Moritz Vogl / Mose Vogl, 21. Av 5648 (Sonntag, 29. Juli 1888)

Anmerkungen

Moritz Vogel findet sich nur in den ungarischen Matriken in Sopron, nicht aber in den Wiener Matriken.

Mose (Moritz) Vogel starb auch laut Grabinschrift betagt und wurde laut Matriken am Tag nach dem Sterbetag, am 30. Juli, begraben.

Als Akrostychon finden sich in der Inschrift von Zeile 6-8 sein Vorname „Mose“ משה und in Zeile 9 und 10 der Zusatz „s(ein Andenken) m(öge bewahrt werden)“ ז“ל.

Biografische Notizen

Sterbematriken: Moritz (Mose) Vogl, geb. in Komerom (Nordungarn), verheiratet, Handelsmann, gest. am 29. Juli 1888, mit 86 Jahren an Altersschwäche, in Mattersdorf

Archiv jüdischer Friedhof Mattersburg

10 Kommentare

Heddy Breuer Abramowitz sagt:

30. Mai 2010 – 18 Sivan 5770 um 22:35 Uhr

I would love to see those yahrzeit plaques. Can you post them, too?

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- Johannes sagt:
  
  30. Mai 2010 – 18 Sivan 5770 um 22:44 Uhr
  
  Dear Heddy Breuer Abramowitz,
  thank you so much for your comments, they are so important!
  
  Yahrzeit plaques:
  
  Some of them you can see here:
  http://www.ojm.at/artikel/jahrzeit/bild01/
  
  the Yahrzeit plaques are only from Eisenstadt, not from Mattersdorf!
  But yes, we can post it, sure!
  
  best, Johannes
  
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Carole G. Vogel sagt:

19. Mai 2010 – 7 Sivan 5770 um 20:44 Uhr

This issue of the Matriken is actually quite important for Mattersdorf researchers. Some of us have been using the birth, marriage, and death records that were microfilmed by the Mormon Church Family History Library. The records were purportedly microfilmed in the Hungarian National Archives in Budapest but some appear to be identical to the records held in the Sopron archive. The IKG in Vienna has only a very limited range of Mattersdorf records, and they are quite incomplete but they do fill in some holes in the microfilmed records. We are hoping that you have stumbled across a treasure trove of metrical records hidden away in boxes in the museum attic or basement.

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- Johannes sagt:
  
  19. Mai 2010 – 7 Sivan 5770 um 21:33 Uhr
  
  Yes, that’s the point! I hope that we can fill some holes, even though there are no records hidden away in the museum attic ;) in this attic we’ve only found the 755 Yahrzeit plaques ;)
  http://www.ojm.at/artikel/jahrzeit/
  
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Meir Deutsch sagt:

18. Mai 2010 – 5 Sivan 5770 um 11:00 Uhr

That is how Ohler spelled it in his notes in German.

Johannes, Do you think that it should be corrected?

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- Johannes sagt:
  
  18. Mai 2010 – 5 Sivan 5770 um 11:14 Uhr
  
  I read the comment of Carole and decided to wait with my answer ;)
  
  Fact is, that we in German do not make a difference in pronouncing the names VOGEL and VOGL! Both we speak out as „VOGL“ (not only in colloquial language!). And this is the reason, that the name is written sometimes as VOGEL and sometimes as VOGL.
  
  So, I think, it’s the best to see how the name is WRITTEN in the Matriken and this we’ll know in a few days!
  And then I’ll correct it potentially ;)
  
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  - Carole G. Vogel sagt:
    
    19. Mai 2010 – 6 Sivan 5770 um 18:51 Uhr
    
    Johannes,
    
    What exactly is the Matriken?
    
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    - Johannes sagt:
      
      19. Mai 2010 – 7 Sivan 5770 um 19:34 Uhr
      
      Matriken (Pl) is the register (= records of personal status) of birth, marriage and death.The Matriken from 1850 – 1885 are in Vienna and in Hungarian Language and some of (certified) copies of the Matriken from 1830 – 1895 we find in Sopron, Hungary (Hungarian and German mixed). But some years are lost :( From that time on the Matriken are in Mattersburg.
      We’ll soon write a blogpost dealing with this subject!
      
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      - Johannes sagt:
        
        21. Mai 2010 – 8 Sivan 5770 um 10:46 Uhr
        
        Wir haben Mose Vogl in den Soproner Matriken gefunden. Die Daten oben wurden korrigiert: a) Vogl statt Vogel (!), b) das Datum musste auf 1888 korrigiert werden.
        
        We’ve found Mose Vogl in the Matriken of Sopron and we’ve corrected the record!
        
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Carole G. Vogel sagt:

18. Mai 2010 – 5 Sivan 5770 um 03:53 Uhr

The Vogel family in Mattersdorf usually spelled their name V-O-G-L. (I am not a descendant of that Vogl family.)

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